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chat is open tonight we have researcher

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and author Anna Maria Manalo so let's

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hi Bernadette hi Anna

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how are you

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great to be here

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happy Friday oh it's wonderful to have

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you happy Friday thank you so much for

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being here I appreciate it and I

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appreciate you being up this late too

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thank you

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that's fine

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so if you want to tell our audience a

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little bit about yourself for those who

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don't know you

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oh okay

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um I write

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um in the genre of horror uh there are

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usually non-fiction paranormal and I

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base my stories on people that I have

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interviewed

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um in the past I traveled quite a bit I

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did a lot of travel photography and I

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met a lot of people uh both uh from

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meeting tours as well as locals

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um a lot of times what happens is I end

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up you know sitting at a hotel or maybe

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just relaxing somewhere while on a tour

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and I meet up with other people we end

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up sharing a meal uh it's kind of like

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one of those campfire type of situations

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where you're just all relaxing after a

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very busy day and they start kind of

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like asking me what do you do etc etc

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and I tell them I collect stories and I

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must have that kind of face that says

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you can tell tell me anything and before

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you know it they start telling me

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stories about strange events that have

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happened to them so I've collected quite

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a bit of that

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and recently I actually started writing

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um about maybe four years ago and I

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compiled a book called portal

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and portal has not just my own personal

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story but also stories of UFO sightings

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and encounters which I collected from my

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days when I was with the mutual UFO

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network but it went from there like I

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said before I started traveling all over

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the world and so I also collected a lot

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of stories about people's encounters

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with ghosts

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disembodied Spirits it led me to finally

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sit down and write a second book

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and that is with Publisher Beyond The

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Fray and so I started writing Memoirs

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that were novel length and then from

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there started writing uh compilations of

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events with haunted objects so it's um

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it's been quite a voyage

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um from my own personal experience with

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ghosts and a demonic entity

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to actually now I'm currently writing my

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fifth book I just released my fourth one

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called Unholy structure

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right which we're going to talk about

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tonight which was an excellent book I

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was you gave me the chance to review it

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and read it and it was it was amazing it

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was very scary so do you want to tell us

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a little bit about that book

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yes please

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um it's interesting how I I don't know

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if I ever told you how I actually uh

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started writing a book of this nature

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um I was just about done with the

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previous book

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and on Facebook I meet a lot of people

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and one of them was a gentleman who was

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riveted by haunted heirlooms which was

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the previous book uh that just went into

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press just went to the Publishers

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yeah yeah and he actually was

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interested in having one of his cases

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written

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um you know in book format

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and he went through a number of cases

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this is a gentleman who is working out

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of Harrisburg his name is John Curley

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uh he was the founder of the Harrisburg

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Area Paranormal Society they're pretty

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active they have a pretty hefty caseload

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they've been around for over 20 years

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and he had compiled so many cases uh

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under his belt some really really

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unusual

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um infestations in private homes in

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hotels things of that nature

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we went through about probably

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four cases that he's had

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uh the first case he actually mentioned

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to me I kind of refrained from writing

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simply because it was an active case

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but also because I tend to be a little

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bit on the sensitive side

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and what I mean by that is in trying to

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pick material for a next book

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I try to gauge

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a sense of

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you know where the story is going

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but number two how I feel uh as the as

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the story is unfolding being recounted

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in the first situation the first case he

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shared with me which was also an

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infestation and a possible possession

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I started feeling very cold in the room

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as we were talking

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this is a gentleman that's probably

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about two hours away from me

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and as he was telling me by phone the

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story of this case

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the temperature in the room started to

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I don't know if the word is dizzy

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I was not feeling well

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um and and so I decided to decline

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so John and I talked again a couple of

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weeks later to look for another case and

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this is when the case of what you see

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now called Unholy structure

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uh was brought to my attention

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and this one was a case that was well I

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would say it was closed but it left it

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was left unresolved

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and for people who haven't read the book

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yet I'm not going to put a spoiler in

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there but suffice it to say this was as

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the title says it very Unholy

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uh it had a number of manifestations

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of some very Earthbound spirits

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no no go ahead go ahead I'm sorry

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I I was going to say that yeah it did

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from reading it like the very in the

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very first you know when you first get

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into the book like a Workman is actually

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he sees a phantom dog

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like it is it is the most spookiest

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thing

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and I mean it just it seems right from

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the beginning the house is just you know

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making itself known the spirits in the

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house are making itself known so God

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continue I'm sorry to have interrupted

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well it you know that you you have a

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good point there because from the get-go

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the workmen who were trying to renovate

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and this home is a mansion we're talking

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about a home that had 20 bedrooms 10

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bathrooms it had a ballroom uh it was

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pretty sizable and in its day it must

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have been a pretty beautiful and very

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grand house

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everything that was inside the house was

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practically an antique because it was

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built in the 1850s

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um 1750s I'm sorry

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um I'm trying to remember now the

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Salient facts because it's been a while

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since I wrote it

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but from what I understand

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the house changed hands a number of

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times because every time they attempted

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to bring a crew of people in there

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they left with very short notice

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a lot of them would not work after hours

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once the sun started to set they would

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literally dash out of there

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uh and we're talking about Burley

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Workman who were used to you know

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they're not the kind that would just

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they've had so many encounters

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that are pretty frightening

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uh they've lost sleep these people have

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lost man hours even though you offered

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them overtime and through the five years

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there have been at least three crews

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of construction people

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that have attempted to renovate this

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house

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and at one time our understanding after

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the history was delved into

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one time the house was actually an inn

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during Stagecoach days

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and during that time frame there was a

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number of people that passed through

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one of them was a gentleman that

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appeared to me to be involved as a

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trapeze artist

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way back when there were circuses that

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traveled this gentleman was one of those

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he is a central figure in the haunting

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of this house

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there are a number of people whose lives

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he has affected

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and he has caused a lot of violence and

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tragedy to occur to to this particular

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house when it was an inn

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so I think a lot of history

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of violence made this particular and

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I'll call it a mansion because that's

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what it is made this particular Mansion

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I agree and like you said that it was so

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bad that no matter how much money the

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workers were offered they didn't want to

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stay like I said in the very first

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couple pages with the guy saying the

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Phantom dog he's even like the pay is

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good it's it's not a bad place why is no

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one you know why does nobody else really

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want to be here I'll take the money

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until he realizes you know why no one

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wants to be there

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you know it's amazing

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how bad it really had gotten and you say

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that there was like a lot of antiques in

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there as well oh go ahead

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but the frustrating part about this is

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that the work people apparently had

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convinced or tried to convince the

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owners

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um of this Mansion of what was happening

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and for some reason they kept tossing it

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off uh one of the owners just called it

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noises they were hearing noises

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uh when John Came Upon the case there

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was already three crews that have

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already left they were working on the

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fourth crew and the crew that he came

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upon uh who had a construction manager

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whom he met uh he was actually just

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there for about a week and he had

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already heard all kinds of stories from

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the current crew and the past crew that

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just Departed uh of that crew only one

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person had stayed and that was the

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gentleman at the beginning of the book

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um I think that he probably was the more

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courageous of all the people that were

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there because despite his encounters he

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kept coming back I think he needed the

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money enough that he needed to go back

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to complete the work

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um but it even during this particular

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investigation

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there were a lot of crew members who

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you know things happen to them that you

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never think would happen just by virtue

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of walking into the room and taking away

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something

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and burn and historically when you

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renovate a house anytime you disrupt

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something whether you repaint it

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or maybe take away the furniture replace

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the floor anything like that my

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understanding is that it causes an

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upheaval

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so the spirits come out

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and I think that's what's happening

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in this mansion

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and that's a question from Vincent he

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said do you think their Innovations have

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made the activity more active

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yeah and it definitely did I think from

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one set of crew people to another set of

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crew people walking in and out of there

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you know banging on the walls redoing

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the wallpaper it just really dredged up

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whatever was already dormant in there

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it's kind of like you know you've got

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Sleeping Dogs let them lie in this case

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they all awakened

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and you even had someone from the crew

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like steal something

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and the house in the way kind of

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punished that crew member

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for yeah I believe it was a nice Lounge

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that he had stolen yeah well it's

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interesting because when John was

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telling me the story of this and and we

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talked a series of times almost I would

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say every week as I was trying to form

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um the story The through line for this

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book

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and as I was trying to write the outline

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and I'm not much for outline sometimes I

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just you know put together all the

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accounts and make it events

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um he would call me or text me and say I

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forgot to tell you this this happened as

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well oh I forgot to tell you before that

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happened this happened as well and one

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of the things he told me was the

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gentleman

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who was in charge of cleaning up the

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Attic now this the real house the attic

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went from one end of the building to the

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other

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so you could just imagine how cavernous

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that is so that by the time you get to

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the center and and to make matters worse

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it there was no electricity

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so they were relying on generators

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uh and at one point one of the crew

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members forgot to put gas

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in the generator and it started to

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become dark and they were using lanterns

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okay

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so the attic guy

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who at the beginning apparently was

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trying to work by himself

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had some lights upstairs in the Attic

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and he came off as being very kind of

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like

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you know he's got a lot of machismo

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you know he's got this Swagger and he's

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you know chewing his gum and thinking

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I'm gonna make a lot of money

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I'm gonna be doing all kinds of overtime

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in the weekends and I can pay off my

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bills and my credit card

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he didn't know anything at all because

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they were not going to tell him they

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would never come in if they had been

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told and he's not the type that believes

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in these kinds of things anyway he's a

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young guy kind of spunky

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he walks in there he starts clearing up

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his stuff and his main thing that he had

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to do was make sure that the Antiques

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were taken to one side of the attic and

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obviously to unload them I mean to load

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them into a truck

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so that they can take them to

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consignment shops and you know antique

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stores where they could be sold I guess

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you know when you have something this

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huge a building like this it goes

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through generations of furniture and as

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with people in regular houses stuff they

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no longer want or use ends up in the

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attic or in the basement in this case it

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was in the Attic there were two sets of

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stairs one was at the front of the house

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and that was the stairs that was usually

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used by guests people who were using it

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to stay overnight you know the in guests

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um and at one time the people who owned

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the home use that and then there was the

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set of back stairs

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which also went all the way up to the

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Attic and these were the steps that were

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used by servants

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um by the kitchen people

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and so it was often you know tucked away

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in a more obscure part of the building

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so this gentleman came up through the

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front

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where it was well lighted and as he went

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deeper into the building deeper into the

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attic it got darker and darker

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and that's when things start to take a

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turn because in darkness a lot of things

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happen

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in this particular manner

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um and yes and he really some things

387
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caught us fancy

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he saw an object that he really liked

389
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and he decided he was going to plan on

390
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taking it home he was just gonna pick it

391
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up and take it home

392
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but then he got greedy and um he decided

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no one was looking there was only this

394
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later on he was helped by the Elder

395
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elderly gentleman

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um and he decided he was going to take a

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and things start to take

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yeah major major big mistake yeah

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and I think

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in a way that from RE how you'd written

401
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a book and how it sounded in a way the

402
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spirits did enjoy tormenting the work

403
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crew in a way it seemed like yeah they

404
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were playing with them and and the

405
00:20:37,610 --> 00:20:34,200
strange thing about it is that it seemed

406
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to be controlling what they can record

407
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it was going to show them and scare them

408
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and mimic people that they were working

409
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with

410
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but it gave them very little evidence

411
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that they could actually tape when they

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went back to the house where they were

413
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:56,580
you know they were clustered together in

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a staging area

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00:21:03,490 --> 00:21:00,780
it was almost like they were so

416
00:21:07,850 --> 00:21:03,500
frustrated they sat through three hours

417
00:21:11,090 --> 00:21:07,860
of EVP recording they sat through all

418
00:21:14,029 --> 00:21:11,100
kinds of camera monitors

419
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:14,039
um and don't understand why what they

420
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saw or experience was not being recorded

421
00:21:21,850 --> 00:21:21,179
so this was a very very

422
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um

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nefarious I guess is the word that comes

424
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to mind a very nefarious house and it

425
00:21:37,250 --> 00:21:33,419
manipulated what they saw it manipulated

426
00:21:40,610 --> 00:21:37,260
people they thought they heard

427
00:21:43,310 --> 00:21:40,620
um John also was short staffed at the

428
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time he had a couple of people he were

429
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:45,780
he was training they were new

430
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:48,240
so he got his wife involved his daughter

431
00:21:51,950 --> 00:21:50,159
wanted to be involved his wife

432
00:21:55,549 --> 00:21:51,960
volunteered instead

433
00:21:58,130 --> 00:21:55,559
and she ended up Manning the van that

434
00:22:02,390 --> 00:21:58,140
was just right outside the mansion

435
00:22:03,770 --> 00:22:02,400
and she had the CCTV going she had all

436
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:03,780
the monitors

437
00:22:10,610 --> 00:22:07,679
sitting on two sides of the table on the

438
00:22:13,490 --> 00:22:10,620
counter inside the back of the van

439
00:22:16,010 --> 00:22:13,500
she was safely locked back there but

440
00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:16,020
then she had her own set of experiences

441
00:22:22,370 --> 00:22:18,600
in the van

442
00:22:25,130 --> 00:22:22,380
yeah and he had also John had also heard

443
00:22:27,409 --> 00:22:25,140
a voice that sounded like his wife

444
00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:27,419
inside the house it was I think the very

445
00:22:32,930 --> 00:22:29,640
first night he was in there if I'm not

446
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:32,940
mistaken so yeah it did I mean it it

447
00:22:37,490 --> 00:22:35,280
seemed like it was very

448
00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:37,500
like it just toyed with everybody who

449
00:22:41,630 --> 00:22:40,260
came in and you said that before that

450
00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:41,640
you know they were moving stuff in the

451
00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:43,740
attic to send it out to consignment

452
00:22:46,669 --> 00:22:45,780
shops and antique shops and things like

453
00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:46,679
that

454
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,740
I mean you and from what John had said

455
00:22:53,810 --> 00:22:51,600
like he didn't even want to take a paper

456
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:53,820
cup from this place he didn't want to

457
00:22:57,950 --> 00:22:56,159
take anything if he you know any Trash

458
00:23:00,830 --> 00:22:57,960
if he could help it he wouldn't take

459
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,840
anything towards the end so do you think

460
00:23:04,490 --> 00:23:03,120
that any of those objects that did get

461
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,500
sold do you think there was any

462
00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:06,720
attachment to them

463
00:23:12,830 --> 00:23:10,500
that could be the case because I think

464
00:23:15,049 --> 00:23:12,840
one of the things that people have to

465
00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:15,059
remember is that when a place is

466
00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:17,460
disinfested

467
00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:20,700
anything that any of those people in

468
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:23,880
life had used that somehow was still

469
00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:26,400
attracted to them in death

470
00:23:32,810 --> 00:23:29,460
or still had their energy you know we

471
00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:32,820
all have energy and when we have strong

472
00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:36,120
emotions that are negative or there was

473
00:23:40,730 --> 00:23:38,460
something violent that happened and you

474
00:23:43,070 --> 00:23:40,740
know you see that all the time in in

475
00:23:45,529 --> 00:23:43,080
places where there's violence like where

476
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,539
we both are near Gettysburg

477
00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:47,760
there's a lot of violence in those

478
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:50,520
fields they leave their energetic

479
00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:54,000
imprint so it might not be so much that

480
00:23:57,890 --> 00:23:55,980
there's a ghost attached to it but

481
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:57,900
you're going to experience something

482
00:24:04,909 --> 00:24:01,440
really bizarre if you choose to take an

483
00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:04,919
object you know any antique

484
00:24:10,490 --> 00:24:08,340
um you always run the risk that there

485
00:24:13,789 --> 00:24:10,500
could be some negative energy some dark

486
00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:13,799
energy attached to it depending on you

487
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,940
know who owned it or maybe you know if

488
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:19,919
there was anything violent that happened

489
00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:22,799
around it that energy could still be

490
00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:25,740
attached to that particular antique

491
00:24:30,590 --> 00:24:28,200
and when I read that I was I was very

492
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:30,600
shocked that they were you know knowing

493
00:24:34,130 --> 00:24:32,220
all this was going on that they were

494
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,140
selling this stuff I'm just kind of like

495
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,240
you're wondering where all this stuff

496
00:24:39,890 --> 00:24:38,159
happened you know happened to end up and

497
00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:39,900
who got it and if they're experienced

498
00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:41,820
anything that would be a great story as

499
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,340
well yeah um I do have a couple

500
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,520
questions for you so Marla wants to know

501
00:24:53,149 --> 00:24:49,440
do you feel that some of the spirits can

502
00:24:57,169 --> 00:24:53,159
be attached to land versus the house

503
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:57,179
well in this particular case the spirits

504
00:25:00,350 --> 00:24:58,080
both

505
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,360
um it inside the house

506
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,400
there were Spirits attached to the house

507
00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:05,039
but they were also some that were

508
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:07,320
attached to the land

509
00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:09,960
and the reason for that is that there

510
00:25:15,770 --> 00:25:12,780
was a lot of history surrounding this

511
00:25:16,909 --> 00:25:15,780
land probably even before the house was

512
00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:16,919
built

513
00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:21,059
and to make even matters worse there's a

514
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:25,740
cemetery several yards near the house

515
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,559
there was an electrician who was scoping

516
00:25:32,930 --> 00:25:31,200
the house for you know putting down

517
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:32,940
cable for power

518
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,460
because the neighborhood was so outdated

519
00:25:39,649 --> 00:25:37,860
and I mean it was really just left

520
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:39,659
neglected

521
00:25:46,370 --> 00:25:43,440
and there was a cemetery that seemed

522
00:25:49,610 --> 00:25:46,380
like it was also neglected kind of like

523
00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:49,620
just left there and there was a wall on

524
00:25:54,769 --> 00:25:52,440
the wall had crumbled and the gentleman

525
00:25:57,289 --> 00:25:54,779
was very curious he wanted to know how

526
00:25:58,970 --> 00:25:57,299
far he had to go out into the street in

527
00:26:02,450 --> 00:25:58,980
order to lay cable

528
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,460
so in his first evening and and they

529
00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:04,559
never thought not to work late they

530
00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:07,140
figure hey I'm alone I can I can still

531
00:26:12,649 --> 00:26:07,980
work

532
00:26:15,169 --> 00:26:12,659
and um they encountered some stuff on

533
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:15,179
the land and also in the cemetery right

534
00:26:24,289 --> 00:26:22,130
didn't in the book you had said that

535
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:24,299
they had encountered a werewolf

536
00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:30,769
well there was a something that looked

537
00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:33,720
like a werewolf yeah I I John didn't

538
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,140
know what that was and I think I was the

539
00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:39,360
first thing I thought of was that it was

540
00:26:43,970 --> 00:26:42,299
a werewolf there were some people that

541
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,980
thought it was a werewolf there were

542
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,840
some people that thought he was a dog

543
00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:47,039
man

544
00:26:51,409 --> 00:26:49,020
um you know I guess because we really

545
00:26:54,649 --> 00:26:51,419
don't know what they look like we really

546
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:54,659
don't know how it originated

547
00:27:01,210 --> 00:26:58,559
um whatever it was was pretty big

548
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,220
whatever it was I think was

549
00:27:05,630 --> 00:27:03,360
multi-dimensional I don't think it was

550
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:05,640
Flesh and Blood per se

551
00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:09,360
because it kind of would just disappear

552
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,620
and it came around the area of the

553
00:27:17,930 --> 00:27:15,120
cemetery

554
00:27:20,269 --> 00:27:17,940
so when the electrician was out there

555
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,279
not to give away everything but when he

556
00:27:24,049 --> 00:27:22,320
was out there he encountered whatever

557
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:24,059
this thing was

558
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,600
and I mean he was just terrified he ran

559
00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:29,520
over to the truck

560
00:27:35,810 --> 00:27:32,700
uh quickly drove around and in the

561
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,820
process he also encountered orbs in the

562
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:37,679
back of the mansion

563
00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:40,919
up on top they were kind of like just

564
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:43,140
flying

565
00:27:49,970 --> 00:27:47,039
yes and you know when it's interesting

566
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:49,980
when you see something paranormal

567
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:52,740
and I've heard this before in many

568
00:27:57,950 --> 00:27:56,159
different discussions and read them in a

569
00:28:00,169 --> 00:27:57,960
number of books

570
00:28:02,210 --> 00:28:00,179
one of them that comes to mind that

571
00:28:05,149 --> 00:28:02,220
recently was talked about in another

572
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:05,159
podcast was how some people witnessed

573
00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:06,720
Bigfoot

574
00:28:13,070 --> 00:28:09,539
and in the same night that they see

575
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,080
Bigfoot they see orbs or they see

576
00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:15,600
something lights in the sky that they

577
00:28:21,409 --> 00:28:17,640
can't explain

578
00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:21,419
so the only conclusion I can have is

579
00:28:27,890 --> 00:28:24,600
that perhaps they're linked

580
00:28:30,529 --> 00:28:27,900
somehow you're not looking at you know

581
00:28:34,430 --> 00:28:30,539
the camp of people who explore ghosts

582
00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:34,440
people who investigate UFOs people who

583
00:28:39,649 --> 00:28:37,260
look at Cryptids like Bigfoot but

584
00:28:42,649 --> 00:28:39,659
they're actually one Continuum of

585
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,649
they're all from a difference

586
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:47,760
I'm sorry go ahead they're all together

587
00:28:53,330 --> 00:28:51,179
oh sorry do you think that how the house

588
00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:53,340
was or how bad the house was or how bad

589
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,020
the land was

590
00:28:59,630 --> 00:28:57,840
but drew that wolf dog and whatever it

591
00:29:02,149 --> 00:28:59,640
is do you think that's what drew it

592
00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:02,159
there like all that energy from the

593
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:05,640
house I think negative energy draws

594
00:29:14,510 --> 00:29:09,840
negative energy I think that every time

595
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:14,520
there's violence that happens to people

596
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:19,679
it opens a tear in the fabric

597
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:23,600
um I've always thought that when someone

598
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:26,159
dies prematurely

599
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:30,240
by the hand of someone else or maybe due

600
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:32,580
to a fire like in the case of this end

601
00:29:39,769 --> 00:29:35,820
there was a fire in the back

602
00:29:42,830 --> 00:29:39,779
um When people's lives are cut short

603
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:42,840
I think that is enough because of their

604
00:29:47,210 --> 00:29:46,320
negative emotion and the violence of the

605
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:47,220
event

606
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:49,919
that you end up with these kinds of

607
00:29:55,549 --> 00:29:52,679
entities and these kinds of dark

608
00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:55,559
energies that kind of just start really

609
00:30:04,370 --> 00:29:59,580
getting attracted to all that

610
00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:04,380
um I think every time people are afraid

611
00:30:11,149 --> 00:30:07,799
it draws the attraction of these dark

612
00:30:17,450 --> 00:30:13,730
and they just tend to feed on it too as

613
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,460
well yes because it is like the fear

614
00:30:22,250 --> 00:30:19,919
everyone being afraid of what's going on

615
00:30:24,649 --> 00:30:22,260
in there it made everything stronger

616
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,659
yes that's that's how when I was reading

617
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,640
it I got that feeling that it just it

618
00:30:30,529 --> 00:30:28,320
kept egging them on like well if you're

619
00:30:32,570 --> 00:30:30,539
afraid of this dog well then this is

620
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,580
also what we're going to do because hey

621
00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:35,039
we know you're afraid of us and it yeah

622
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,720
it's just it yeah so Nancy asked do you

623
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:41,279
think the floor plan of the Mansion

624
00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:42,960
might have caused some of the problems

625
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:44,940
with the ghosts

626
00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:48,000
so that's an interesting question it

627
00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:50,100
sounds like something having to do with

628
00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:52,140
what they call Feng Shui

629
00:30:56,810 --> 00:30:54,840
and I I don't know

630
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:56,820
um I've actually physically never

631
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,480
visited the mansion I know exactly where

632
00:31:05,210 --> 00:31:02,880
it's located I had to obscure it because

633
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,220
at the time I was writing the book

634
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:07,919
I had asked John for permission from the

635
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:11,039
owners to share a photograph because he

636
00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:14,100
had sent me a photograph and to just

637
00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:15,960
kind of disclose a little bit about

638
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,260
where the town is but because they have

639
00:31:23,570 --> 00:31:21,120
sold it once again

640
00:31:26,269 --> 00:31:23,580
uh he had no contact with them

641
00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:26,279
whatsoever and the case was officially

642
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:27,659
closed

643
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:31,919
after he had given them recommendations

644
00:31:36,669 --> 00:31:34,500
and you should know this you know in

645
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:36,679
light of the Antiques that are in there

646
00:31:44,210 --> 00:31:40,380
uh and the number of casualties

647
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:44,220
uh that were found on the site

648
00:31:51,049 --> 00:31:47,880
he really did not want that

649
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:51,059
to be a location for an inn

650
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:53,880
it sounded more like something where

651
00:32:00,769 --> 00:31:57,720
they needed the church to enter

652
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:00,779
and at the minimum blessed

653
00:32:06,590 --> 00:32:04,320
it also needed to be recognized by the

654
00:32:09,769 --> 00:32:06,600
local Historical Society

655
00:32:11,950 --> 00:32:09,779
to preserve it and leave it alone and I

656
00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:11,960
think that's what what's essential here

657
00:32:17,289 --> 00:32:14,700
everything that's within that structure

658
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:17,299
is basically screaming leave us alone

659
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,740
don't renovate us

660
00:32:24,769 --> 00:32:22,080
so the worst thing that could happen to

661
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,779
it is for someone to actually attempt to

662
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:25,919
convert it

663
00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:29,460
into another dwelling

664
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:31,500
um whether they followed it or not we

665
00:32:37,490 --> 00:32:33,720
don't know to this day

666
00:32:40,730 --> 00:32:37,500
um he he pressed upon them that it was a

667
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,740
Historic Landmark and not to touch the

668
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:42,720
ground because of the number of bodies

669
00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:47,930
and that my next question was going to

670
00:32:51,889 --> 00:32:49,320
be you know do you know what happened

671
00:32:54,110 --> 00:32:51,899
after he sold it if the new owners or

672
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,120
after they sold it if the new owners

673
00:33:00,110 --> 00:32:56,640
have done anything or have they tried to

674
00:33:01,490 --> 00:33:00,120
finish you know remodeling he doesn't

675
00:33:05,149 --> 00:33:01,500
know

676
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:05,159
um John has moved on to a different case

677
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:08,039
within weeks actually of when the book

678
00:33:12,289 --> 00:33:09,960
finished

679
00:33:15,649 --> 00:33:12,299
um because his team always has a long

680
00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:15,659
roster uh they just moved on because at

681
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:17,940
this point the the new owner from what I

682
00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:20,399
understand wasn't receptive to any other

683
00:33:25,310 --> 00:33:22,740
visits or anything like that the

684
00:33:28,909 --> 00:33:25,320
previous one was already resistant to

685
00:33:31,570 --> 00:33:28,919
the idea and hired them I think at the

686
00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:31,580
kind of like as a last resort because

687
00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:35,100
they really didn't want the crew to stop

688
00:33:41,690 --> 00:33:38,760
they wanted an explanation so that they

689
00:33:44,350 --> 00:33:41,700
can then make the right decision about

690
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:44,360
holding on to the property

691
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:47,760
so there has not been any contact from

692
00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:49,620
what I understand

693
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,240
that would be interesting to know what

694
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,279
was going on if they did anything or

695
00:33:57,230 --> 00:33:55,919
they've tried you know that would be

696
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:57,240
um yeah

697
00:34:02,210 --> 00:33:59,760
night snow wants to know

698
00:34:04,190 --> 00:34:02,220
I went to or he made a comment I went to

699
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:04,200
a graveyard once and saw two girls

700
00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:07,260
covered in white face paint and carrying

701
00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:15,109
two girls

702
00:34:18,899 --> 00:34:22,909
yeah yeah sure

703
00:34:29,710 --> 00:34:26,210
I'm not sure

704
00:34:32,450 --> 00:34:29,720
were they Shadows or were they full body

705
00:34:35,629 --> 00:34:32,460
apparitions did she

706
00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:35,639
come towards them and interact with them

707
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,300
it's it's hard to predict what what they

708
00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:41,280
are and and what they're carrying I mean

709
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:43,800
if if we're assuming that we're ghosts

710
00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:46,320
they're probably apparitions of two

711
00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:49,980
people that somehow had a history

712
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:53,099
having to do with that cemetery and

713
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,780
whatever they're carrying I don't want

714
00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:56,639
to know what it is

715
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:00,180
yeah I know I agree with you Vincent

716
00:35:07,849 --> 00:35:02,940
Vincent wants to know why do antiques

717
00:35:13,849 --> 00:35:11,270
I don't know that all antiques do I I

718
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:13,859
would say it's a misnomer to assume that

719
00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:16,320
every antique has some kind of haunted

720
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:19,500
history and I will say this on behalf of

721
00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:22,440
antique dealers that I have known uh

722
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:24,599
through years and years of their

723
00:35:31,609 --> 00:35:28,260
businesses it is very rare to come upon

724
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,619
an antique that has some kind of an

725
00:35:35,569 --> 00:35:32,880
attachment

726
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,579
and there's two kinds of antiques out

727
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,160
there if they do have some type of

728
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:40,800
energy attached to them it could

729
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:43,920
actually be haunted by you know a person

730
00:35:49,010 --> 00:35:46,680
that used to be alive because they loved

731
00:35:50,569 --> 00:35:49,020
it and treasured it and want to keep it

732
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:50,579
for themselves

733
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:52,980
or it could just be what you would call

734
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:55,380
a cursed object

735
00:36:00,290 --> 00:35:57,720
and the difference there is that the

736
00:36:03,950 --> 00:36:00,300
person who used to own it is not

737
00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:03,960
necessarily attached or traveling with

738
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:07,320
the object but they have put in some

739
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:10,260
kind of energy into it so that

740
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:12,960
I guess a concrete example would be like

741
00:36:20,109 --> 00:36:17,040
the Hope Diamond anybody who wears it is

742
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:20,119
strangled or ends up in some type of

743
00:36:27,470 --> 00:36:24,480
nasty uh event violent event

744
00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:27,480
um the person that owned it before in

745
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:29,940
life is not following the Hope Diamond

746
00:36:38,089 --> 00:36:34,140
but they put their energy into it so

747
00:36:40,849 --> 00:36:38,099
that bad things happen to the next donor

748
00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:40,859
so but not all of them I I you know it's

749
00:36:45,530 --> 00:36:42,839
very rare

750
00:36:47,810 --> 00:36:45,540
um the previous book I had before Unholy

751
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:47,820
had to do with four antique dealers that

752
00:36:54,050 --> 00:36:50,579
I knew over the years

753
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,060
um and they only disclosed to me the

754
00:36:59,210 --> 00:36:56,880
haunted objects after having known them

755
00:37:02,030 --> 00:36:59,220
for quite a long time and and I still

756
00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:02,040
don't disclose who they truly are or

757
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:04,200
where they're truly located for that

758
00:37:07,849 --> 00:37:06,060
reason because two of them are still in

759
00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:07,859
business

760
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,140
um but it's I would say probably only

761
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:12,960
two percent or three percent at a time

762
00:37:17,690 --> 00:37:15,780
yeah I the in your last book was

763
00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:17,700
wonderful I also got a chance to read

764
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:19,500
that as well so that was a wonderful

765
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:21,180
book and if anyone hasn't read that yet

766
00:37:24,370 --> 00:37:22,680
they need to go and read it so we're

767
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:24,380
going to plug that book too

768
00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:27,839
but do you do you honestly think that

769
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,780
maybe it's a cup for the house it's a

770
00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:33,119
combination of the land is not only

771
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:35,460
cursed in the way but it's also the

772
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:38,000
spirits like it's a combination because

773
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:41,280
it it seems cursed too on top of

774
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:44,520
everything you mean the forest nearby

775
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:49,260
yes yeah I wondered about that

776
00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:50,940
um

777
00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:53,880
because I am not a Paranormal

778
00:37:59,690 --> 00:37:57,660
Investigator per se I only researched

779
00:38:02,690 --> 00:37:59,700
the history you know and I take whatever

780
00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:02,700
history shared with me as in the case of

781
00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:03,720
this book

782
00:38:07,370 --> 00:38:05,700
I don't know

783
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:07,380
um I have been told by a couple of

784
00:38:15,530 --> 00:38:11,160
people that I am a sensitive

785
00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:15,540
um that I can sense I I do tend to see

786
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:19,260
things like when I walk into a house

787
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:20,940
um some people might not feel anything

788
00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:23,700
or see anything I tend to be the first

789
00:38:28,430 --> 00:38:25,560
one to see something

790
00:38:31,130 --> 00:38:28,440
so I guess if I were to actually go out

791
00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:31,140
there in those woods I probably might

792
00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:33,480
see something

793
00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:35,940
um there's only been one or two people

794
00:38:39,890 --> 00:38:38,760
that's included in this book that have

795
00:38:42,109 --> 00:38:39,900
actually

796
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,119
witnessed something come out of those

797
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,640
woods one of them was John

798
00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:46,800
um the other one is the electrician

799
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:51,180
but to what extent it's haunted

800
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,460
who knows

801
00:38:58,730 --> 00:38:55,920
um it's just one of those places that

802
00:39:02,390 --> 00:38:58,740
just seems like um

803
00:39:07,310 --> 00:39:03,770
yeah

804
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,320
Vincent asks can you tell us about your

805
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:09,119
experiences with our experience with

806
00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:15,890
um I I don't know that I want to call it

807
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:18,780
a winged humanoid per se

808
00:39:23,870 --> 00:39:22,800
but if everybody can recall

809
00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:23,880
um

810
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:27,660
the movie Mothman Prophecies

811
00:39:34,730 --> 00:39:31,079
that had Richard Gere in it

812
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:34,740
or even more recently the movie Jeepers

813
00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:36,560
Creepers

814
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:40,020
that had to me a very terrifying

815
00:39:45,770 --> 00:39:42,660
humanoid

816
00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:45,780
when I was a child and this goes back to

817
00:39:53,050 --> 00:39:49,320
the 60s when I was only an infant my

818
00:39:56,890 --> 00:39:53,060
father witnessed a winged humanoid

819
00:40:01,069 --> 00:39:56,900
and it looks uncannily

820
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:01,079
very much so like what they depicted in

821
00:40:06,349 --> 00:40:05,040
Mothman and Jeepers Creepers the face of

822
00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:06,359
it

823
00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:07,980
um and this is all according to my

824
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:09,960
mother because I was too young

825
00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:12,480
I had the face of a goat

826
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,060
had the eyes of a cow

827
00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:17,760
uh and and that Visage

828
00:40:22,190 --> 00:40:19,800
um I still see that

829
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:22,200
even in my dreams

830
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:25,440
so somewhere in my unconscious I must

831
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:29,520
have seen it as a child

832
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:32,720
um I know that it has red eyes

833
00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:36,480
uh that creature stands about

834
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:38,940
anywhere from seven to nine feet tall

835
00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:42,000
and the wingspan goes six feet

836
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:44,460
and it clung to the window of my

837
00:40:48,050 --> 00:40:46,020
father's study

838
00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:48,060
and it would appear there it would

839
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,060
unfold out of a huge tree

840
00:40:55,609 --> 00:40:53,280
that was near the window and latch

841
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:55,619
itself to the window

842
00:41:03,770 --> 00:40:59,599
so that is the one

843
00:41:04,849 --> 00:41:03,780
creature I do recall being discussed in

844
00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:04,859
our home

845
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:08,520
when I was growing up

846
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:14,810
I'm sorry I I think it wanted one of two

847
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:19,140
things it wanted to win over a soul

848
00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:24,180
that it considered to be very pure

849
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:28,740
it also wanted to challenge God because

850
00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:30,540
we always thought it was evil that it

851
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:31,859
was demonic

852
00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:34,079
that it could take the soul

853
00:41:41,329 --> 00:41:37,140
away from God

854
00:41:44,089 --> 00:41:41,339
um later on when my family consulted the

855
00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:44,099
clergy and we did try to get the clergy

856
00:41:51,609 --> 00:41:47,640
to come in into this house that we were

857
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:51,619
in to bless that particular room

858
00:41:56,569 --> 00:41:54,240
the priest fled

859
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:56,579
he couldn't handle it he went into the

860
00:42:02,089 --> 00:41:59,760
room and without saying anymore turned

861
00:42:03,290 --> 00:42:02,099
around and said I'm sorry I'm gonna have

862
00:42:09,310 --> 00:42:03,300
to leave

863
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,320
mom and my grandmother and he he ran

864
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:12,240
literally ran down the stairs from what

865
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:15,839
I was told and never came back

866
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:18,960
wow that that's pretty bad then that

867
00:42:24,170 --> 00:42:22,079
really is I mean if yeah because there

868
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,180
was he trained was he specially trained

869
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:26,160
to do this then

870
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:29,520
you know it's weird because I think that

871
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:31,980
recently I heard that there's more and

872
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,140
more exorcists and people that are

873
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,720
trained to do this

874
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:39,119
um and I'm gonna make a plug for this

875
00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:41,400
because I admire this uh particular

876
00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:44,220
organization the Warren Foundation run

877
00:42:48,050 --> 00:42:45,960
by Chris mckennell

878
00:42:50,990 --> 00:42:48,060
trains exorcists

879
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,000
and they help people for free

880
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:53,280
to go into their homes

881
00:42:57,730 --> 00:42:56,220
uh and actually do and perform an

882
00:43:00,770 --> 00:42:57,740
exorcism

883
00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:00,780
another paranormal investigation team

884
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,540
that works out of Kansas the first city

885
00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:05,599
paranormal of Kansas

886
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:09,300
uh also thus a very thorough

887
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:12,720
investigation totally free their only

888
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:14,370
objective is to help

889
00:43:18,829 --> 00:43:15,660
[Music]

890
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:18,839
at the time when this infestation was

891
00:43:24,109 --> 00:43:20,940
happening I don't know that there were

892
00:43:26,809 --> 00:43:24,119
any paranormal groups out there so you

893
00:43:30,109 --> 00:43:26,819
had to rely on reaching out to the

894
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:30,119
parish priest most of them did not know

895
00:43:35,470 --> 00:43:33,060
what to do or maybe were reluctant to

896
00:43:38,270 --> 00:43:35,480
even get involved

897
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:38,280
and it's an interesting thing because

898
00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:41,760
this country has a lot of hauntings it

899
00:43:49,730 --> 00:43:44,700
is probably the most haunted country in

900
00:43:55,069 --> 00:43:52,910
oh my goodness yeah wow that and that's

901
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,079
scary especially because I as a parent

902
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:57,119
thinking that how you know you said you

903
00:44:02,089 --> 00:43:59,700
were little at the time you know having

904
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,099
a little child that's scary I mean I I

905
00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:04,800
can I can relate to that

906
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:07,260
we were talking off there but you know

907
00:44:11,390 --> 00:44:08,640
what's going on here so I could totally

908
00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:11,400
relate to that so Nancy Malcolm wants to

909
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,980
know have you ever dreamed of seeing a

910
00:44:20,569 --> 00:44:15,599
ghost in a place where you had to

911
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,069
I have investigated some interesting hot

912
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,359
spots

913
00:44:32,349 --> 00:44:30,000
um and it's more out of curiosity rather

914
00:44:35,809 --> 00:44:32,359
than investigation

915
00:44:38,109 --> 00:44:35,819
I actually flew back to the Philippines

916
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:38,119
to visit some relatives

917
00:44:44,770 --> 00:44:42,560
and they told me about a University gym

918
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:44,780
of all places

919
00:44:50,410 --> 00:44:47,760
that was only about maybe 15 minutes

920
00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:50,420
away from their home

921
00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:54,839
uh this particular gym apparently during

922
00:45:00,910 --> 00:44:57,780
World War II

923
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:00,920
was a place where they entered

924
00:45:07,130 --> 00:45:03,839
pows the Japanese took over the

925
00:45:09,410 --> 00:45:07,140
university and they tortured people

926
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:09,420
in this gym

927
00:45:14,569 --> 00:45:12,720
so you could just imagine the negative

928
00:45:17,930 --> 00:45:14,579
energy

929
00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:17,940
that just found a home

930
00:45:22,970 --> 00:45:21,540
and we're talking a gym that has a stage

931
00:45:26,030 --> 00:45:22,980
in front

932
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:26,040
that has an extensive basement where

933
00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:27,720
they keep the equipment

934
00:45:33,650 --> 00:45:31,079
it's got tennis courts on the second

935
00:45:36,829 --> 00:45:33,660
floor it's got a basketball court

936
00:45:38,569 --> 00:45:36,839
everything and people will say the

937
00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:38,579
students told me

938
00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:41,940
that on a given night

939
00:45:50,290 --> 00:45:45,960
if you stay back

940
00:45:54,530 --> 00:45:52,490
if you look

941
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:54,540
at the stage area

942
00:45:59,569 --> 00:45:57,599
in the dimness of the dark

943
00:46:03,290 --> 00:45:59,579
you will see

944
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:03,300
Jesuit priests Marching In A Circle and

945
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:06,240
they were all beheaded

946
00:46:10,690 --> 00:46:08,160
oh

947
00:46:13,849 --> 00:46:10,700
yeah I don't think I'd want to be there

948
00:46:17,089 --> 00:46:13,859
yes and the interesting part about this

949
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:17,099
to answer the question sometimes I have

950
00:46:21,050 --> 00:46:18,480
dreams

951
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:21,060
of these things before I actually see

952
00:46:24,349 --> 00:46:22,560
them

953
00:46:27,230 --> 00:46:24,359
so I don't know what that's about

954
00:46:28,930 --> 00:46:27,240
whether it's precognition

955
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:28,940
um

956
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,440
I I don't know

957
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,599
and sometimes I dream about them

958
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:36,000
afterwards and it probably is because it

959
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,349
did you have any experiences while

960
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:45,119
writing this book

961
00:46:54,730 --> 00:46:49,500
while writing on holy thank goodness no

962
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:54,740
I um I have to say though hey I wonder

963
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,140
sometimes when we've had conversations

964
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:01,200
where John would tell me

965
00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:02,640
um you know something that he had

966
00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:05,400
forgotten had happened

967
00:47:09,290 --> 00:47:07,380
um and he would talk about one

968
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:09,300
particular I'm trying to think of

969
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,160
whether it had something to do with what

970
00:47:15,710 --> 00:47:13,920
they saw in the cemetery

971
00:47:17,390 --> 00:47:15,720
um and it might have been it might have

972
00:47:19,150 --> 00:47:17,400
been something that was found on the

973
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:19,160
ground

974
00:47:26,329 --> 00:47:22,680
shortly after I hung up the phone it was

975
00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:26,339
starting to get Dusk and we had said

976
00:47:31,490 --> 00:47:28,500
goodbye after talking for about an hour

977
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:31,500
I went outside to get the dogs

978
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:34,380
and the first thing I thought I saw on

979
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,200
the ground as I was coming out around to

980
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:39,839
the back of the house what was what

981
00:47:46,210 --> 00:47:42,900
looked like a long dog bone

982
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,220
so that kind of like

983
00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:48,960
you know it does I know what you're

984
00:47:58,370 --> 00:47:56,450
yeah yeah I freak out too yeah and you

985
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,380
know when you're writing you're

986
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,480
basically alone unless you choose to

987
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:03,359
ride in a coffee house but then even

988
00:48:07,849 --> 00:48:05,640
then you're so concentrated that you

989
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:07,859
really don't hear the sounds or anything

990
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,560
else around you and one of the things

991
00:48:17,870 --> 00:48:12,960
that I decided I would do with these

992
00:48:21,050 --> 00:48:18,950
um

993
00:48:23,569 --> 00:48:21,060
there's a lot of times I wake up early

994
00:48:26,329 --> 00:48:23,579
in the morning and I start writing I let

995
00:48:29,089 --> 00:48:26,339
the dogs out have my coffee and then I

996
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:29,099
start writing and I look up again and

997
00:48:33,230 --> 00:48:30,960
realize I hadn't fed them it was already

998
00:48:34,970 --> 00:48:33,240
11 o'clock in the morning

999
00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:34,980
so

1000
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:37,740
but but I try not to do they're looking

1001
00:48:42,530 --> 00:48:40,380
at you like why didn't you feed us what

1002
00:48:44,030 --> 00:48:42,540
are you doing they're looking right

1003
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:44,040
through the door because they're still

1004
00:48:48,109 --> 00:48:44,960
outside

1005
00:48:50,809 --> 00:48:48,119
so you know but but one of the things

1006
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:50,819
with these types of books is that it

1007
00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:52,079
does

1008
00:48:56,990 --> 00:48:54,540
play with your head sometimes

1009
00:48:59,089 --> 00:48:57,000
another thing it does is that if you're

1010
00:49:02,150 --> 00:48:59,099
finishing a chapter and there was a lot

1011
00:49:05,150 --> 00:49:02,160
of activity in that particular chapter

1012
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:05,160
that I'm writing at least for me when I

1013
00:49:10,849 --> 00:49:08,940
go to bed the story starts unfolding in

1014
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:10,859
my head

1015
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:13,560
and then I go back and I look at my

1016
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:14,640
notes

1017
00:49:20,089 --> 00:49:17,760
and I think to myself okay I must have

1018
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,099
read it which is why I knew that that

1019
00:49:23,150 --> 00:49:21,839
was the next thing that was going to

1020
00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:23,160
happen

1021
00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:30,300
starts going into my dreams

1022
00:49:35,770 --> 00:49:32,940
and that's when I take a step back

1023
00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:35,780
and I I would not

1024
00:49:40,609 --> 00:49:39,060
I would not read this book is it dark I

1025
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,619
would just keep the light on while I was

1026
00:49:44,990 --> 00:49:42,240
reading it because it it's heart

1027
00:49:47,809 --> 00:49:45,000
pounding the way you write you put the

1028
00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:47,819
reader right in the situation

1029
00:49:53,930 --> 00:49:51,480
I mean yeah it's it's scary like I was

1030
00:49:55,370 --> 00:49:53,940
reading it and I'm just like oh my God I

1031
00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:55,380
don't I don't want to be in this house

1032
00:50:00,290 --> 00:49:58,140
anymore I mean it's it's very it's it's

1033
00:50:04,010 --> 00:50:00,300
very heart pounding

1034
00:50:07,309 --> 00:50:04,020
I mean thank you I was scared I mean you

1035
00:50:09,950 --> 00:50:07,319
are a very good writer thank you thank

1036
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:09,960
you now that was my intention and I

1037
00:50:15,530 --> 00:50:12,720
think I got that from having you know

1038
00:50:19,309 --> 00:50:15,540
worked before as a script writer because

1039
00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:19,319
you have to find a way to transport the

1040
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:21,480
person who's reading or watching the

1041
00:50:25,970 --> 00:50:22,680
movie

1042
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:25,980
to where you are and to have them feel

1043
00:50:30,530 --> 00:50:28,319
the way you feel

1044
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,540
um one of the things that I refuse to

1045
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,119
write about are people who were at Sea

1046
00:50:38,089 --> 00:50:35,280
because I can't swim

1047
00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:38,099
and so I'm thinking to myself do I

1048
00:50:41,870 --> 00:50:39,960
really want to

1049
00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:41,880
immerse myself

1050
00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:45,660
because in order to be able to transport

1051
00:50:49,730 --> 00:50:46,980
the reader

1052
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:49,740
by writing it the way I write I also

1053
00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:52,559
transport myself into it

1054
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:55,500
I get that close to the material so that

1055
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:59,520
I'm actually reliving what John is

1056
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:00,720
telling me

1057
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:03,359
and it can be terrifying if you choose

1058
00:51:07,130 --> 00:51:04,920
to write it at night

1059
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:07,140
so and and that's why I don't write

1060
00:51:12,530 --> 00:51:09,420
ghost stories of things that happen at

1061
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:12,540
sea because you know then I'm out there

1062
00:51:18,049 --> 00:51:15,720
then it becomes truly terrifying at

1063
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:18,059
least for me no I can understand that

1064
00:51:22,190 --> 00:51:19,980
and like I said you you put the reader

1065
00:51:23,809 --> 00:51:22,200
right in there and that to me is the

1066
00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:23,819
best type of book where you're right in

1067
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:25,619
there with either like if it's a fiction

1068
00:51:29,329 --> 00:51:27,660
book with the character but if it's

1069
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,339
non-fiction where you're right in there

1070
00:51:33,230 --> 00:51:31,200
like you you feel like you're basically

1071
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,240
right next to John on the investigation

1072
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,520
or next to like the worker when it's

1073
00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:37,920
happening with the dog because I mean it

1074
00:51:42,589 --> 00:51:40,380
was I was like I said I was terrified

1075
00:51:44,690 --> 00:51:42,599
but you are a wonderful writer you

1076
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,700
really are so thank you I'm excited to

1077
00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:47,040
read your next book I really am

1078
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:48,660
um Marla wants to know have you ever

1079
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:52,079
seen a full-bodied apparition

1080
00:51:55,970 --> 00:51:54,180
um yes I have actually

1081
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:55,980
um I've seen

1082
00:52:02,450 --> 00:51:59,040
quite a number of them one was a

1083
00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:02,460
gentleman who obviously starved during

1084
00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:04,500
World War II

1085
00:52:10,010 --> 00:52:06,839
it was The Apparition of a Japanese

1086
00:52:11,450 --> 00:52:10,020
soldier who was wearing tattered

1087
00:52:14,690 --> 00:52:11,460
clothing

1088
00:52:18,829 --> 00:52:14,700
he was very gaunt very pale

1089
00:52:20,210 --> 00:52:18,839
he had leaped over some kind of

1090
00:52:23,210 --> 00:52:20,220
structure

1091
00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:23,220
and in the present time it was my

1092
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:25,980
grandmother's house and it was the gate

1093
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:29,160
so it was going on around Twilight and I

1094
00:52:35,329 --> 00:52:33,240
hear what sounded like flip-flops hit

1095
00:52:37,370 --> 00:52:35,339
the edge at the top of the gate the gate

1096
00:52:38,809 --> 00:52:37,380
was about six feet high

1097
00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:38,819
and

1098
00:52:48,770 --> 00:52:45,660
you could hear his slippers hit the

1099
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:48,780
ground the driveway in this case and I

1100
00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:51,119
looked up and there he was he looked

1101
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:52,980
right at me and then he started running

1102
00:52:57,470 --> 00:52:55,440
and his clothes were tattered he looked

1103
00:53:00,589 --> 00:52:57,480
like he was so exhausted

1104
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,599
he looked like he was at his very end of

1105
00:53:03,890 --> 00:53:02,400
his life he was just

1106
00:53:06,109 --> 00:53:03,900
gaunt

1107
00:53:08,690 --> 00:53:06,119
starved

1108
00:53:10,250 --> 00:53:08,700
that's heartbreaking that really is oh

1109
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,260
my gosh

1110
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:12,480
um Vincent wants to know what paranormal

1111
00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:18,890
I've had quite a bit as a child

1112
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:21,300
um because of the episode with my father

1113
00:53:27,230 --> 00:53:25,200
where we saw that mothman-like creature

1114
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:27,240
it seemed like it went from there

1115
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:29,400
because we moved to my grandmother's

1116
00:53:34,490 --> 00:53:32,240
house the house was accidentally billed

1117
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:34,500
built I should say

1118
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:35,040
um

1119
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:37,920
on soil that had bones of Japanese

1120
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:39,420
soldiers

1121
00:53:45,770 --> 00:53:43,260
they did not remove them they didn't

1122
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:45,780
know they were there and apparently the

1123
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,720
entire neighborhood was a battlefield at

1124
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:51,359
some point in World War II

1125
00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:53,760
and they just built homes on top of it

1126
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:56,220
and on a given night you would see

1127
00:54:03,290 --> 00:53:58,800
someone walking they were still carrying

1128
00:54:05,930 --> 00:54:03,300
a rifle they would still wear a helmet

1129
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:05,940
um there is one in the middle of my

1130
00:54:10,849 --> 00:54:07,920
first book portal I have a series of

1131
00:54:12,589 --> 00:54:10,859
photographs there that people might be

1132
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,599
interested in looking at it you'd have

1133
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:15,119
to buy the hardcover you can't buy the

1134
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:16,319
um

1135
00:54:21,470 --> 00:54:18,300
the ebook version because it doesn't

1136
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:21,480
show but in one of them you will see a

1137
00:54:26,809 --> 00:54:22,680
window

1138
00:54:29,630 --> 00:54:26,819
there's no ledge there's a Japanese

1139
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:29,640
soldier's helmet

1140
00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:33,359
and the window in real life I did see

1141
00:54:40,549 --> 00:54:35,880
and I opened the window to check myself

1142
00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:43,370
wow it just showed up in a photograph

1143
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,700
like that

1144
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:47,040
yes oh my goodness

1145
00:54:50,809 --> 00:54:49,260
and it's pretty clear people think oh

1146
00:54:52,849 --> 00:54:50,819
yeah the helmet must be sitting there

1147
00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:52,859
it's been sitting there for ages and you

1148
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:55,140
open the window there's nothing to sit

1149
00:55:04,790 --> 00:55:02,150
do you think these type of places or

1150
00:55:07,130 --> 00:55:04,800
like you know your grandmother's house

1151
00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:07,140
or even then you know the house in the

1152
00:55:12,109 --> 00:55:09,000
Holy structure they the houses

1153
00:55:18,370 --> 00:55:12,119
themselves tender in the memories

1154
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:21,650
aside from what's going on if that makes

1155
00:55:24,829 --> 00:55:22,800
sense like

1156
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,839
in the photograph like you said there

1157
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:26,880
was a windowsill so do you think you

1158
00:55:32,170 --> 00:55:29,640
know it was maybe there was one at one

1159
00:55:35,210 --> 00:55:32,180
time and it was just a memory

1160
00:55:37,370 --> 00:55:35,220
if that makes sense well they always

1161
00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:37,380
said it does it does

1162
00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:40,200
they always said that every time

1163
00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:43,380
there's a strong emotion

1164
00:55:49,210 --> 00:55:46,200
um that a person feels

1165
00:55:52,490 --> 00:55:49,220
that emotion is recorded

1166
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:52,500
uh somewhere in an ether

1167
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:54,960
and some kind of record

1168
00:56:02,690 --> 00:55:58,400
and it's replayed over and over again

1169
00:56:04,790 --> 00:56:02,700
until that energy dissipates

1170
00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:04,800
it has the capacity of being

1171
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:06,420
photographed

1172
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:10,559
as it did with this particular case

1173
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:13,920
and cameras have an uncanny ability to

1174
00:56:18,770 --> 00:56:17,099
also photograph dark energy from

1175
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:18,780
apparitions

1176
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:21,780
because in this same photo there's an

1177
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,040
armoire

1178
00:56:27,890 --> 00:56:25,680
that had been there since the house was

1179
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,900
built the house was built in I think it

1180
00:56:31,010 --> 00:56:30,000
was like 1856.

1181
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:31,020
okay

1182
00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:33,720
you look through the mirror and a lot of

1183
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:37,260
people who buy the book say I see it I

1184
00:56:41,329 --> 00:56:38,400
see her

1185
00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:41,339
right there right in the mirror I see

1186
00:56:47,809 --> 00:56:43,800
her looking out

1187
00:56:50,150 --> 00:56:47,819
I am one of few that as much as I look

1188
00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:50,160
at that photo and I have the actual

1189
00:56:54,349 --> 00:56:51,480
photograph

1190
00:56:57,230 --> 00:56:54,359
I cannot see that woman in the mirror

1191
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,240
but a lot of people will describe it to

1192
00:57:04,250 --> 00:56:59,760
me I even posted it one time on social

1193
00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:04,260
media and a lady who was just I guess a

1194
00:57:08,690 --> 00:57:06,480
follower circled it for me

1195
00:57:09,950 --> 00:57:08,700
and said there she is that's how she

1196
00:57:13,010 --> 00:57:09,960
looks

1197
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:13,020
and I still couldn't see it

1198
00:57:18,170 --> 00:57:14,640
I wonder why

1199
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:18,180
other people not you

1200
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,660
yeah yeah and I tend to be sensitive but

1201
00:57:25,790 --> 00:57:24,000
I don't think they're joking with me or

1202
00:57:28,370 --> 00:57:25,800
anything like that Bernadette because

1203
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,380
there's so many of them that tell me the

1204
00:57:32,990 --> 00:57:30,240
same thing and then I showed it to a

1205
00:57:34,970 --> 00:57:33,000
couple of friends and they pointed it

1206
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:34,980
out without being prompted I just said

1207
00:57:40,010 --> 00:57:37,680
to them I've got pictures inside the

1208
00:57:42,290 --> 00:57:40,020
book right on the spine take a look at

1209
00:57:44,329 --> 00:57:42,300
them and they looked at them and they

1210
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:44,339
saw the helmet and then they saw the

1211
00:57:47,170 --> 00:57:46,020
woman right through the mirror in the

1212
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:47,180
armoire

1213
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:50,880
so there must be something to it

1214
00:57:56,569 --> 00:57:53,760
no there really must be unless there's

1215
00:57:58,730 --> 00:57:56,579
you know like how antiques are and they

1216
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,740
they can pick up living you know like

1217
00:58:03,290 --> 00:58:00,960
traces or memory traces maybe the

1218
00:58:04,609 --> 00:58:03,300
picture does maybe it has like something

1219
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:04,619
within it

1220
00:58:09,710 --> 00:58:07,200
and it's you know just trying to hide

1221
00:58:12,349 --> 00:58:09,720
itself from you or or if that's very

1222
00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:12,359
interesting that you can't see it I I

1223
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:14,220
really find that interesting I wonder if

1224
00:58:17,710 --> 00:58:15,599
there's anyone else who have said well

1225
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:17,720
they don't see it either

1226
00:58:23,569 --> 00:58:21,119
yeah I you know it's strange because

1227
00:58:24,770 --> 00:58:23,579
like people who normally don't see

1228
00:58:28,990 --> 00:58:24,780
things

1229
00:58:32,270 --> 00:58:29,000
saw the stuff in this particular picture

1230
00:58:34,790 --> 00:58:32,280
when I visited I actually went to this

1231
00:58:37,370 --> 00:58:34,800
house because I was very intrigued about

1232
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:37,380
the armoire for one the window for

1233
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:38,400
another

1234
00:58:42,589 --> 00:58:41,040
there's other haunted rooms in this

1235
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:42,599
house

1236
00:58:49,309 --> 00:58:46,319
but I chose to walk into that one and I

1237
00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:49,319
wasn't alone oh I won't lie to you I

1238
00:58:55,309 --> 00:58:51,900
kind of get scared of these kinds of

1239
00:59:00,289 --> 00:58:55,319
places I had my cousin with me

1240
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:00,299
and um he said I could see her from here

1241
00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:03,599
he said to me as I'm standing there

1242
00:59:09,710 --> 00:59:07,500
facing the mirror looking into it he was

1243
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,720
right behind me and he said I could see

1244
00:59:14,510 --> 00:59:12,000
her from where I'm standing and of

1245
00:59:16,849 --> 00:59:14,520
course I got Goosebumps all over me not

1246
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:16,859
because I saw something but because of

1247
00:59:23,089 --> 00:59:19,920
what he said so I turned around and left

1248
00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:23,099
the room oh my goodness well you brought

1249
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,660
him because you should just put them in

1250
00:59:29,170 --> 00:59:26,640
front of you but like take him instead

1251
00:59:32,809 --> 00:59:29,180
that's why you bring the extra virgin

1252
00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:32,819
but no I mean that's that's chilling

1253
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:35,400
that really is right that's that's what

1254
00:59:39,530 --> 00:59:36,960
I would do trust me that's what I would

1255
00:59:42,890 --> 00:59:39,540
do I'm not going to lie to you but no

1256
00:59:44,270 --> 00:59:42,900
that's very chilling because yeah yeah I

1257
00:59:45,890 --> 00:59:44,280
would I would bring the other person and

1258
00:59:49,150 --> 00:59:45,900
be like here take them and then you know

1259
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:49,160
make my escape the best I could that's

1260
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,520
but no I I just I think that is chilling

1261
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,200
that you can you can't see it but yeah

1262
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:57,359
he's standing there like there she and

1263
01:00:01,069 --> 00:59:59,040
that happens from without you know from

1264
01:00:02,930 --> 01:00:01,079
what I know and from what I've heard in

1265
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:02,940
some of the winged humanoid cases like

1266
01:00:07,549 --> 01:00:05,520
there's a whole group of people and only

1267
01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:07,559
one person sees it and the rest of the

1268
01:00:12,410 --> 01:00:10,260
group doesn't see it yes so it's like

1269
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,420
picking and choosing who's going to see

1270
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,640
it and who doesn't see it and that

1271
01:00:19,490 --> 01:00:16,799
that's fascinating as well

1272
01:00:21,950 --> 01:00:19,500
uh my go ahead

1273
01:00:23,930 --> 01:00:21,960
no no go ahead I was just gonna add

1274
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:23,940
something but it has nothing to do with

1275
01:00:29,809 --> 01:00:27,119
this it's about the next book and it

1276
01:00:33,289 --> 01:00:29,819
involves humanoids the next book does

1277
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:33,299
have humanoids in it it's kind of like a

1278
01:00:39,770 --> 01:00:36,720
a very strange case where people can't

1279
01:00:42,049 --> 01:00:39,780
classify exactly what they're saying

1280
01:00:44,089 --> 01:00:42,059
so that's coming up in the spring and

1281
01:00:45,770 --> 01:00:44,099
and at this point it's not even titled

1282
01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:45,780
yet I don't have a title for the book

1283
01:00:49,609 --> 01:00:48,900
I'm still busy talking to both the

1284
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:49,619
people

1285
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,079
who are going to be the backbone of the

1286
01:00:59,870 --> 01:00:56,690
but you have been posting teasers on

1287
01:01:01,789 --> 01:00:59,880
Instagram I saw your teasers on

1288
01:01:04,370 --> 01:01:01,799
Instagram so you have been posting

1289
01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:04,380
teasers which I've been saying those I'm

1290
01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:06,180
just like I need to read this book so

1291
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:10,020
yeah you have those on Instagram

1292
01:01:13,789 --> 01:01:11,760
so if you if you look on her Instagram

1293
01:01:15,890 --> 01:01:13,799
you will see it though

1294
01:01:18,109 --> 01:01:15,900
um so but I have one last question for

1295
01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:18,119
you sure before we let you go

1296
01:01:22,609 --> 01:01:20,520
the going back to the holy structure do

1297
01:01:24,589 --> 01:01:22,619
you do you believe that the spirits in

1298
01:01:26,770 --> 01:01:24,599
the house they're they're aware

1299
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:26,780
they're not just you know

1300
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:32,160
repeats on the loop but they're they're

1301
01:01:37,849 --> 01:01:34,559
fully aware of what's going on

1302
01:01:40,130 --> 01:01:37,859
I think they are I think they are and I

1303
01:01:42,589 --> 01:01:40,140
believe John believes that as well

1304
01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:42,599
because they are interacting with the

1305
01:01:48,410 --> 01:01:45,660
living uh there's a woman in particular

1306
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:48,420
who has said some things to him when he

1307
01:01:52,910 --> 01:01:49,520
was alone

1308
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:52,920
uh there is an evil in the house that is

1309
01:01:58,910 --> 01:01:55,680
the center point of all these hauntings

1310
01:02:03,049 --> 01:01:58,920
uh and he has them trapped in there

1311
01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:03,059
he actually uh confronted John at some

1312
01:02:08,690 --> 01:02:06,180
point in the bathroom

1313
01:02:10,849 --> 01:02:08,700
um and that's when John started really

1314
01:02:12,890 --> 01:02:10,859
feeling that there was something that

1315
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:12,900
was very malevolent

1316
01:02:18,770 --> 01:02:15,920
that had caused all the destruction

1317
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:18,780
this house had a fire and a lot of

1318
01:02:21,609 --> 01:02:20,640
people also passed away because of the

1319
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:21,619
fire

1320
01:02:27,349 --> 01:02:24,480
and they attributed you know before they

1321
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:27,359
did any research they attributed some of

1322
01:02:36,049 --> 01:02:32,160
the fire was caused by this gentleman

1323
01:02:39,230 --> 01:02:36,059
and I think unless it's um so

1324
01:02:40,490 --> 01:02:39,240
one more question so yeah uh in the

1325
01:02:43,010 --> 01:02:40,500
beginning of the book when you know

1326
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:43,020
before John takes the case it's is it

1327
01:02:46,730 --> 01:02:44,640
fair to say that John might have

1328
01:02:50,270 --> 01:02:46,740
somebody or an entity attached to him

1329
01:02:52,730 --> 01:02:50,280
because his wife had saw something

1330
01:02:56,930 --> 01:02:52,740
I think there was a fear

1331
01:03:00,109 --> 01:02:56,940
that it was coming home with him

1332
01:03:03,170 --> 01:03:00,119
um there was a situation where she was

1333
01:03:05,870 --> 01:03:03,180
actually outside it was pouring rain

1334
01:03:08,510 --> 01:03:05,880
and she was collecting clothes from the

1335
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,520
clothesline before they got wet and

1336
01:03:13,370 --> 01:03:11,280
whatever it was was I I think it was

1337
01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:13,380
trying to do something to electrocute

1338
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:14,700
her

1339
01:03:20,089 --> 01:03:18,240
so she started getting the feeling that

1340
01:03:21,410 --> 01:03:20,099
there was something that was following

1341
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:21,420
him home

1342
01:03:26,150 --> 01:03:24,000
uh and in the beginning of the book she

1343
01:03:29,930 --> 01:03:26,160
had a feeling that there was something

1344
01:03:32,270 --> 01:03:29,940
that followed her to she was a nurse

1345
01:03:36,109 --> 01:03:32,280
followed her to the hospital

1346
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:36,119
and was manifesting itself there so the

1347
01:03:39,950 --> 01:03:38,640
first question she had was from the

1348
01:03:42,349 --> 01:03:39,960
previous case

1349
01:03:45,230 --> 01:03:42,359
you know do you think that someone

1350
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:45,240
followed you home because I looked at a

1351
01:03:50,089 --> 01:03:47,760
picture you showed me and the picture

1352
01:03:55,549 --> 01:03:50,099
was like the gentleman I saw at the

1353
01:03:59,809 --> 01:03:58,970
go ahead no no so he he yeah so he had

1354
01:04:03,589 --> 01:03:59,819
had

1355
01:04:05,809 --> 01:04:03,599
an experience with the case that I chose

1356
01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:05,819
not to write about that I think that's

1357
01:04:11,870 --> 01:04:08,220
where it was coming from honestly

1358
01:04:13,069 --> 01:04:11,880
because I recall he had just ended that

1359
01:04:16,250 --> 01:04:13,079
case

1360
01:04:17,089 --> 01:04:16,260
and I declined to write about it

1361
01:04:19,849 --> 01:04:17,099
um

1362
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:19,859
because I couldn't see myself spending a

1363
01:04:24,890 --> 01:04:21,200
lot of hours

1364
01:04:27,530 --> 01:04:24,900
on an open case where there was a danger

1365
01:04:29,329 --> 01:04:27,540
that whatever it was was going to attach

1366
01:04:32,089 --> 01:04:29,339
itself to people

1367
01:04:35,930 --> 01:04:32,099
and it was doing it in a very violent

1368
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:35,940
way so I had to protect myself I think

1369
01:04:39,470 --> 01:04:37,920
at some point John felt he had to

1370
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:39,480
protect himself

1371
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:42,240
and so at the opening of this book there

1372
01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:43,920
were some concerns there and then later

1373
01:04:49,609 --> 01:04:47,160
on the concerns resurfaced again

1374
01:04:52,190 --> 01:04:49,619
right and I I was going to bring that up

1375
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:52,200
as well because there was even I think a

1376
01:04:55,750 --> 01:04:54,480
picture was able to be taken of The

1377
01:04:59,030 --> 01:04:55,760
Entity

1378
01:05:01,849 --> 01:04:59,040
near John and then

1379
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:01,859
the way I I think it you know John had

1380
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:04,079
snapped about it basically when he had

1381
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:06,480
gotten back in the vehicle and I when I

1382
01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:07,920
read that I was kind of like stunned

1383
01:05:11,630 --> 01:05:09,660
like why is he snapping like it's just

1384
01:05:13,309 --> 01:05:11,640
yeah you know it was very shocking

1385
01:05:16,490 --> 01:05:13,319
because I wondered if maybe I tried to

1386
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:16,500
possess him or you know it it had done

1387
01:05:20,089 --> 01:05:18,000
something because he seemed extremely

1388
01:05:22,970 --> 01:05:20,099
angry over just that simple question and

1389
01:05:24,890 --> 01:05:22,980
even he kind of was just like yeah he

1390
01:05:27,430 --> 01:05:24,900
didn't like the way he felt

1391
01:05:30,829 --> 01:05:27,440
but yeah it was very

1392
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:30,839
it was starting to unravel them and and

1393
01:05:37,010 --> 01:05:33,599
that's the bad part about these things

1394
01:05:38,930 --> 01:05:37,020
Bernadette is that not only is it trying

1395
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:38,940
to scare them it's also trying to drive

1396
01:05:43,309 --> 01:05:40,319
them apart

1397
01:05:45,470 --> 01:05:43,319
and his nerves were afraid

1398
01:05:47,450 --> 01:05:45,480
he needed to put closure on the case

1399
01:05:50,210 --> 01:05:47,460
because the owners for one were

1400
01:05:53,870 --> 01:05:50,220
pressuring him and pressuring the crew

1401
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:53,880
to keep coming back and get the job done

1402
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:56,640
and he couldn't really record much of

1403
01:06:01,730 --> 01:05:59,520
anything at all to prove to them what

1404
01:06:04,490 --> 01:06:01,740
was happening other than what he himself

1405
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,500
was experiencing and what some of the

1406
01:06:08,990 --> 01:06:06,720
crew was experiencing

1407
01:06:11,870 --> 01:06:09,000
um so what you're seeing there is the

1408
01:06:13,250 --> 01:06:11,880
combined stress of it all on top of the

1409
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:13,260
fact that that creature was really

1410
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:16,319
pushing them to be driven apart which

1411
01:06:21,609 --> 01:06:18,960
you know in some ways they were strong

1412
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:21,619
enough as a team that it didn't happen

1413
01:06:26,510 --> 01:06:24,240
and do you think maybe whatever from his

1414
01:06:28,250 --> 01:06:26,520
you know the case that was open that you

1415
01:06:30,289 --> 01:06:28,260
you know chose not to write about

1416
01:06:32,569 --> 01:06:30,299
whatever it kind of tried to attach

1417
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:32,579
itself or attach itself do you think it

1418
01:06:37,309 --> 01:06:35,460
made its way to the house an Unholy

1419
01:06:40,370 --> 01:06:37,319
structure somehow and just kind of egg

1420
01:06:45,289 --> 01:06:40,380
those entities on as well good question

1421
01:06:48,529 --> 01:06:45,299
I mean I I I have no idea I don't know

1422
01:06:49,309 --> 01:06:48,539
um he's never mentioned that to be a

1423
01:06:51,770 --> 01:06:49,319
fact

1424
01:06:54,349 --> 01:06:51,780
I think that once they let go of one

1425
01:06:57,170 --> 01:06:54,359
case they kind of like just physically

1426
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:57,180
and mentally not try to think about it

1427
01:07:02,569 --> 01:07:00,000
they remain concerned about the people

1428
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:02,579
because I'm sure they're frustrated to

1429
01:07:08,029 --> 01:07:04,319
some degree that they weren't able to

1430
01:07:10,370 --> 01:07:08,039
help them resolve it this one was a very

1431
01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:10,380
frustrating case for him but he was glad

1432
01:07:15,770 --> 01:07:13,500
the owners decided okay we're just gonna

1433
01:07:17,930 --> 01:07:15,780
sell it but then the person who's

1434
01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:17,940
selling it did they even get the

1435
01:07:23,690 --> 01:07:21,900
disclosure what was happening to it yeah

1436
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:23,700
that that's the thing you have to wonder

1437
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,160
because I I know New York has it's some

1438
01:07:29,930 --> 01:07:28,319
kind of law where if you've had a

1439
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:29,940
haunting or something in the house that

1440
01:07:33,529 --> 01:07:31,440
you have to tell the people who are

1441
01:07:35,390 --> 01:07:33,539
buying it either someone's passed away

1442
01:07:37,490 --> 01:07:35,400
in the Hills or you've had something I'm

1443
01:07:40,250 --> 01:07:37,500
not sure if you know Pennsylvania has

1444
01:07:42,170 --> 01:07:40,260
that yeah yeah

1445
01:07:43,609 --> 01:07:42,180
right who knows but that it would be

1446
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:43,619
interesting to kind of go back and at

1447
01:07:47,210 --> 01:07:45,359
least you know maybe Snoop and see if

1448
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:47,220
you know they were trying to remodel or

1449
01:07:51,170 --> 01:07:48,480
something I would be interested in like

1450
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:51,180
a sequel to this book I think anyone who

1451
01:07:54,829 --> 01:07:53,520
I really do I think anyone who reads it

1452
01:07:56,809 --> 01:07:54,839
would be interesting because I'm very

1453
01:07:59,870 --> 01:07:56,819
nosy I'm a very I'm not gonna lie I'm a

1454
01:08:01,250 --> 01:07:59,880
very nosy person so I mean it's I I

1455
01:08:05,390 --> 01:08:01,260
would like to know where the Antiques

1456
01:08:07,370 --> 01:08:05,400
ended up I'm just nosy so yeah but well

1457
01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:07,380
it should be interesting to see if he

1458
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:10,260
ever gets reassigned I mean what they

1459
01:08:15,289 --> 01:08:12,480
would do to see

1460
01:08:17,530 --> 01:08:15,299
whether it was followed through whether

1461
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:17,540
the Historical Society did come in

1462
01:08:23,090 --> 01:08:20,400
whether they at least you know notified

1463
01:08:23,809 --> 01:08:23,100
people who might be related to these

1464
01:08:26,689 --> 01:08:23,819
people

1465
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:26,699
I mean they found bodies in the basement

1466
01:08:32,930 --> 01:08:30,239
so I mean someone had to identify them

1467
01:08:35,630 --> 01:08:32,940
give them a proper burial and and those

1468
01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:35,640
things it was like just cut off it was

1469
01:08:40,930 --> 01:08:37,980
like okay you're done thank you for your

1470
01:08:43,550 --> 01:08:40,940
results goodbye

1471
01:08:45,289 --> 01:08:43,560
so so he doesn't even know if they had

1472
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:45,299
exhumed the bodies are taken them out

1473
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:47,759
yet no he has not been back to the area

1474
01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:50,400
from what I understand I know he went

1475
01:08:55,130 --> 01:08:53,520
back to the other case because he you

1476
01:08:58,729 --> 01:08:55,140
know was very concerned for the family

1477
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:58,739
but I don't think he has been reassigned

1478
01:09:04,249 --> 01:09:00,239
or gone back

1479
01:09:07,789 --> 01:09:04,259
since the book was finished

1480
01:09:09,769 --> 01:09:07,799
right so uh there was a comment that

1481
01:09:11,209 --> 01:09:09,779
says uh I'm not going to say a name

1482
01:09:13,849 --> 01:09:11,219
because I'm not going to butcher that

1483
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:13,859
Vincent wants to put them up uh the law

1484
01:09:19,789 --> 01:09:16,799
was based on the Ghostbuster ruling in

1485
01:09:21,410 --> 01:09:19,799
New York a few States enforce it I'll

1486
01:09:22,849 --> 01:09:21,420
just start so he can do that because I

1487
01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:22,859
do not want to butcher anyone's name

1488
01:09:26,689 --> 01:09:24,960
okay

1489
01:09:28,669 --> 01:09:26,699
um so that's that's the law we were

1490
01:09:31,970 --> 01:09:28,679
talking about there it is

1491
01:09:34,010 --> 01:09:31,980
oh in New York yeah yeah there there was

1492
01:09:36,110 --> 01:09:34,020
a house I remember reading about it it

1493
01:09:38,269 --> 01:09:36,120
was really big news a couple years ago

1494
01:09:40,370 --> 01:09:38,279
that like this family had bought a

1495
01:09:42,530 --> 01:09:40,380
really haunted house and the previous

1496
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,540
owners knew it was haunted and they just

1497
01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:44,400
want nothing to do with it so they sold

1498
01:09:48,829 --> 01:09:46,380
it basically it's your problem take it

1499
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:48,839
and then this new family was like what

1500
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:52,319
the heck and then they sued the the I

1501
01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:54,239
think the realtor as well as the family

1502
01:10:01,630 --> 01:09:57,060
they bought it from so then that's

1503
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:04,910
yeah and and this house actually is not

1504
01:10:08,990 --> 01:10:07,199
in Pennsylvania

1505
01:10:11,330 --> 01:10:09,000
um you know I can't disclose where it is

1506
01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:11,340
I wish I could I still have the picture

1507
01:10:16,189 --> 01:10:13,800
here on my cell phone Oh I thought it

1508
01:10:19,310 --> 01:10:16,199
was in Pennsylvania I'm sorry no no he's

1509
01:10:22,970 --> 01:10:19,320
from Pennsylvania but he goes to

1510
01:10:26,030 --> 01:10:22,980
adjacent states to investigate

1511
01:10:28,970 --> 01:10:26,040
um and I I think that one of the things

1512
01:10:31,070 --> 01:10:28,980
that kind of like intrigued me is that

1513
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:31,080
my own grandmother's house

1514
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:33,840
which was incredibly infested with

1515
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:36,719
almost every room had some kind of

1516
01:10:41,450 --> 01:10:39,360
apparition or some kind of you know

1517
01:10:44,050 --> 01:10:41,460
things would fall off the bookcase

1518
01:10:47,450 --> 01:10:44,060
things of that nature

1519
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:47,460
after they sold it when my grandmother

1520
01:10:51,790 --> 01:10:48,960
passed away

1521
01:10:54,169 --> 01:10:51,800
and people had moved out of the house

1522
01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:54,179
someone came in

1523
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:58,320
and built a totally new house in that

1524
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,239
spot

1525
01:11:06,050 --> 01:11:02,719
would you believe that they have not

1526
01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:06,060
experienced anything at all

1527
01:11:12,290 --> 01:11:09,420
since they've been living there

1528
01:11:14,930 --> 01:11:12,300
see I wonder I wonder why and I also

1529
01:11:17,330 --> 01:11:14,940
wonder if it doesn't go back to like the

1530
01:11:19,490 --> 01:11:17,340
the stuff going into the wood into the

1531
01:11:21,649 --> 01:11:19,500
house itself and creating like a life

1532
01:11:24,590 --> 01:11:21,659
force within the house

1533
01:11:25,970 --> 01:11:24,600
because that that kind of proves that

1534
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:25,980
they're in a way from what you're saying

1535
01:11:29,390 --> 01:11:27,840
that you know they destroyed the old

1536
01:11:30,530 --> 01:11:29,400
house they put this new house and this

1537
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:30,540
new structure there's something wrong

1538
01:11:34,729 --> 01:11:32,640
with it that's interesting that really

1539
01:11:38,689 --> 01:11:34,739
is yeah

1540
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,699
that's that's really amazing okay

1541
01:11:42,050 --> 01:11:40,560
so do you want to tell everyone where

1542
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:42,060
they can find you where they can find

1543
01:11:46,729 --> 01:11:43,280
your books

1544
01:11:49,010 --> 01:11:46,739
okay probably the fastest way to find me

1545
01:11:52,430 --> 01:11:49,020
is through social media I'm on Facebook

1546
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:52,440
I'm on Twitter uh not so much on Twitter

1547
01:11:55,729 --> 01:11:53,760
because I don't know what's going on

1548
01:11:57,530 --> 01:11:55,739
with Twitter but I I'm not on there

1549
01:11:58,570 --> 01:11:57,540
either I don't like Twitter because it's

1550
01:12:02,090 --> 01:11:58,580
just like

1551
01:12:03,229 --> 01:12:02,100
I'm on Instagram and I'm also on Tick

1552
01:12:09,950 --> 01:12:03,239
Tock

1553
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:09,960
to say hello and I'm live on there

1554
01:12:15,050 --> 01:12:12,719
sometimes I share that on Facebook but I

1555
01:12:18,290 --> 01:12:15,060
also have a website which is under my

1556
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:18,300
name Anna Maria manaloauthor.com

1557
01:12:24,169 --> 01:12:22,320
uh people please free to message me if

1558
01:12:26,209 --> 01:12:24,179
you want to on Facebook and share a

1559
01:12:27,950 --> 01:12:26,219
story or two

1560
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:27,960
um who knows I might be compiling

1561
01:12:33,649 --> 01:12:31,199
another anthology of stories

1562
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:33,659
um I do have a couple of other books

1563
01:12:40,189 --> 01:12:37,199
that are coming one is about a girl who

1564
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:40,199
became a witch uh the next one that's

1565
01:12:45,050 --> 01:12:42,960
coming up is about a ufologist and an

1566
01:12:47,630 --> 01:12:45,060
experiencer

1567
01:12:49,729 --> 01:12:47,640
um and we really don't know what the

1568
01:12:52,850 --> 01:12:49,739
entity is at this point

1569
01:12:54,410 --> 01:12:52,860
so so there's a couple of things cooking

1570
01:12:57,470 --> 01:12:54,420
but it looks like it's going to be a

1571
01:12:59,810 --> 01:12:57,480
great book and I'm excited about it I'm

1572
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,820
very excited I want to thank you so much

1573
01:13:02,990 --> 01:13:01,440
for being here tonight I truly

1574
01:13:04,910 --> 01:13:03,000
appreciate it I hope you'll come back

1575
01:13:07,729 --> 01:13:04,920
when your new book comes out or just

1576
01:13:09,050 --> 01:13:07,739
come back in general okay because I'd

1577
01:13:11,570 --> 01:13:09,060
really loved having you I know everybody

1578
01:13:14,209 --> 01:13:11,580
else really loved you so thank you so

1579
01:13:16,490 --> 01:13:14,219
much I I appreciate the opportunity and

1580
01:13:18,530 --> 01:13:16,500
it's a delight to talk to you Bernadette

1581
01:13:21,050 --> 01:13:18,540
oh it was wonderful talking to you too

1582
01:13:22,250 --> 01:13:21,060
now thank you so much again you have a

1583
01:13:26,510 --> 01:13:22,260
good night

1584
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:28,669
all right everyone thank you so much for

1585
01:13:32,510 --> 01:13:30,239
sticking around and thank you for being

1586
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:32,520
here I truly appreciate it so next week

1587
01:13:37,310 --> 01:13:34,380
we are going to have a bunch of great

1588
01:13:39,709 --> 01:13:37,320
shows Vincent will be on Wednesday night

1589
01:13:43,790 --> 01:13:39,719
at 11 o'clock with v and he'll be doing

1590
01:13:47,330 --> 01:13:43,800
report a report show uh Friday lawn will

1591
01:13:50,030 --> 01:13:47,340
be on at 9 00 pm and he will have Steve

1592
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:50,040
Stockton as his guest and I will be on

1593
01:13:54,290 --> 01:13:52,320
at 11 and my guest will be Tobias

1594
01:13:56,810 --> 01:13:54,300
Weyland we're gonna kick off the holiday

1595
01:14:00,290 --> 01:13:56,820
season with some Christmas High

1596
01:14:01,490 --> 01:14:00,300
strangeness and some different stories

1597
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:01,500
that you're going to love and then

1598
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:03,840
coming December 23rd we are going to

1599
01:14:07,550 --> 01:14:05,760
have our very first Phantoms and

1600
01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:07,560
monsters Christmas show

1601
01:14:11,390 --> 01:14:09,900
so I hope you guys will stick around and

1602
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:11,400
watch that have a good night and a great